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#1 Offline WILLj - Posted January 18 2020 - 1:54 AM

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So I recently caught six queens in Sydney, Australia. The queens I caught may indeed be some species of pheidole, but I am unsure as although they look very similar, they have some small colour differences. The bodies are a dark black and the heads are a reddish colour. I found them running around on a tennis court last night(17th January 2020)

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#2 Offline WILLj - Posted January 18 2020 - 1:58 AM

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https://albumizr.com/a/5uCa
This link may work, I don't think the link does

#3 Offline GeorgeK - Posted January 18 2020 - 2:44 AM

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Can you provide pictures from several angles please?



#4 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 18 2020 - 6:05 AM

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Perhaps an overhead view and profile view? I think I see 2 petioles but i'm not sure.



#5 Offline Martialis - Posted January 18 2020 - 7:47 AM

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Length?
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#6 Offline NickAnter - Posted January 18 2020 - 7:49 AM

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It's a Myrmicine. Either Pheidole or Carebara. Probably the former.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#7 Offline Manitobant - Posted January 18 2020 - 8:35 AM

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Definitely Pheidole sp, maybe megacephala.

Edited by Manitobant, January 18 2020 - 8:41 AM.


#8 Offline NickAnter - Posted January 18 2020 - 8:53 AM

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Probably not. I don't think they are that prevalent there.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#9 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 18 2020 - 10:16 AM

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Pheidole sp. We can't give you a species ID, there are too many identical and undescribed species in Aus.



#10 Offline Martialis - Posted January 18 2020 - 10:18 AM

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Meranopolus was my first guess. It doesn’t look “stocky” enough for a Pheidole.

Edit: Er, actually I think Pheidole is a strong possibility. A measurement is needed to really tell anything about her.

Edited by Martialis, January 18 2020 - 10:21 AM.

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#11 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 18 2020 - 10:24 AM

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Pheidole is near garenteed.



#12 Offline Manitobant - Posted January 18 2020 - 10:39 AM

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Megacephala has a lot of records from sydney and comes in many different color forms. There is also a reddish tint on the thorax which leads me to believe its megacephala. Even if it isn't, its 100% a pheidole queen.

Edited by Manitobant, January 18 2020 - 10:40 AM.


#13 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 18 2020 - 11:00 AM

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Megacephala has a lot of records from sydney and comes in many different color forms. There is also a reddish tint on the thorax which leads me to believe its megacephala. Even if it isn't, its 100% a pheidole queen.

There is no way to narrow it down, unless you go through lots of records and get better photos of the ant. Even then, it's highly likely this is an undescribed species.


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#14 Offline Martialis - Posted January 18 2020 - 11:11 AM

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I don’t think it’s undescribed. Don’t look for zebras until you’re sure it’s not a horse.
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#15 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted January 18 2020 - 11:37 AM

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Megacephala has a lot of records from sydney and comes in many different color forms. There is also a reddish tint on the thorax which leads me to believe its megacephala. Even if it isn't, its 100% a pheidole queen.

There is no way to narrow it down, unless you go through lots of records and get better photos of the ant. Even then, it's highly likely this is an undescribed species.

 

I wouldn't say it's highly likely. Possible, maybe. It's more likely that, if not P. megacephala, it could be a species that simply isn't well documented or known, although described. 



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#16 Offline WILLj - Posted January 18 2020 - 2:20 PM

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Just if you guys wanted more information, she is about 6mm long with stripes on her gaster.
Here is another photo:https://albumizr.com/a/hlzo

#17 Offline Martialis - Posted January 18 2020 - 3:15 PM

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Some sort of Pheidole, no doubt.
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#18 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted January 18 2020 - 4:11 PM

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Pheidole is (generally) on par with Camponotus in terms of species richness. It would be more difficult to identify a Pheidole species than say Carebara or Solenopsis.


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Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis





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