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What can we do to help native ant species struggling against non natives?!?!


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#1 Offline Broncos - Posted January 13 2020 - 10:29 AM

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I think pretty much everyone on this forum has had some sort of issue with non native ants. What can we do to stop them and what can we do to help native ants?!?!


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#2 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted January 13 2020 - 11:11 AM

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The only thing I could possibly think of to do is to raise up colonies of native species, and once they get alates, release them.


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#3 Offline Martialis - Posted January 13 2020 - 12:51 PM

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Not too much. Killing the invasives is a start, although good luck doing that with Solebopsis and Linepithema.
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#4 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted January 13 2020 - 1:46 PM

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In California: if lush gardens and green lawns aren't your thing, I suppose you could xeriscape. But if your neighbor is busy watering twice a week then it probably won't make a huge difference.


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Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus (inactive)

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and californicus (inactive)

Tetramorium sp.

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#5 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted January 13 2020 - 1:48 PM

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On a larger scale supporting land conservation and natural habitat restoration would probably help in some areas.


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Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

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Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#6 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 13 2020 - 2:28 PM

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Not too much. Killing the invasives is a start, although good luck doing that with Solebopsis and Linepithema.

I know you meant to say "Solenopsis", but "Solebopsis" sounds like a hybrid between Colobopsis and Solenopsis  :lol:


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#7 Offline Aaron567 - Posted January 13 2020 - 2:28 PM

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You can collect queens of invasive ants and kill them, which could eventually improve the native species biodiversity in a very localized area if you're effective enough at it. On days where Solenopsis invicta have large flights I usually collect as many queens as I can (usually a few hundred) and freeze them.


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#8 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted January 13 2020 - 2:31 PM

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You can collect queens of invasive ants and kill them, which could eventually improve the native species biodiversity in a very localized area if you're effective enough at it. On days where Solenopsis invicta have large flights I usually collect as many queens as I can (usually a few hundred) and freeze them.

Would invasive nuptial flights be a good source of feeders? I mean, you could get rid of invasive species and feed native ones at the same time.


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#9 Offline ponerinecat - Posted January 13 2020 - 3:53 PM

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I already said this, but I've had huge success with killing off argentine colonies. It doesnt do much against the population, but it creates little safe havens for natives.


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#10 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted January 13 2020 - 3:54 PM

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You can collect queens of invasive ants and kill them, which could eventually improve the native species biodiversity in a very localized area if you're effective enough at it. On days where Solenopsis invicta have large flights I usually collect as many queens as I can (usually a few hundred) and freeze them.

Would invasive nuptial flights be a good source of feeders? I mean, you could get rid of invasive species and feed native ones at the same time.

 

If your ants have a taste for invasive queens, then yes. Absolutely.


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

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Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#11 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted January 13 2020 - 4:27 PM

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The only invasive species I have are from the genus Tetramorium, which isn't even THAT prevalent. I prefer to keep them as opposed to killing them.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#12 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 13 2020 - 4:38 PM

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The only thing I could possibly think of to do is to raise up colonies of native species, and once they get alates, release them.

No, you can not.



#13 Offline gcsnelling - Posted January 13 2020 - 4:39 PM

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The best option is encourage habitat restoration and reduce habitat destruction.


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#14 Offline PacificNorthWestern - Posted January 13 2020 - 4:50 PM

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i feed the wild native ants in my area, and dig up the non native colonies and freeze them.


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#15 Offline ANTdrew - Posted January 13 2020 - 5:46 PM

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Everything in an ecosystem is connected. The health of an ecosystem starts with healthy soil then continues up to native plants. Native plants are really the foundation for native insects. By volunteering at invasive plant removal events and helping to restore native plants, you’ll be helping all kinds of wildlife, ants included. Invasive ants predominate in the areas that have been disturbed the most, which usually means lots of non-native plants. In CA, I would definitely recommend xeriscaping with desert plants.
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#16 Offline Martialis - Posted January 13 2020 - 6:56 PM

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Everything in an ecosystem is connected. The health of an ecosystem starts with healthy soil then continues up to native plants. Native plants are really the foundation for native insects. By volunteering at invasive plant removal events and helping to restore native plants, you’ll be helping all kinds of wildlife, ants included. Invasive ants predominate in the areas that have been disturbed the most, which usually means lots of non-native plants. In CA, I would definitely recommend xeriscaping with desert plants.

 

Socal at least. 


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#17 Offline NickAnter - Posted January 13 2020 - 7:03 PM

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Everything in an ecosystem is connected. The health of an ecosystem starts with healthy soil then continues up to native plants. Native plants are really the foundation for native insects. By volunteering at invasive plant removal events and helping to restore native plants, you’ll be helping all kinds of wildlife, ants included. Invasive ants predominate in the areas that have been disturbed the most, which usually means lots of non-native plants. In CA, I would definitely recommend xeriscaping with desert plants.

I find that this doesnt deter Argentines much. The most you'll get in dry areas around here is Dorymyrmex insanus. I say, keep the area moist, and hopw for some Nylanderia to move in. They can create little goldmines of native species, as they can often get to food before argentines.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#18 Offline ANTdrew - Posted January 14 2020 - 11:01 AM

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I can't promise any miracles with native plants, but I think that is the best way to go from a conservation standpoint. Look at what all the big CA anters do on this forum to find native ants: drive out far from inhabited areas to where native flora and natural conditions persist without human disruption. Native plants aren't a silver bullet or some kind of magic, but if you fill a space with them, I can guarantee that diversity of all kinds of life will increase. I've seen it firsthand in my own urban yard. This is why I am constantly beating this drum on the forum.


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#19 Offline Manitobant - Posted January 14 2020 - 11:39 AM

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introduce tough native species to infested areas. for example, you could transplant solenopsis xyloni or geminata, which are both aggressive natives that can defend against argentines.  A better option, however, would be to collect and transplant a colony of a brood raider such as neivamyrmex, which could decimate invasive nests, especially myrmicines like megacephala or invicta.


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introduce tough native species to infested areas. for example, you could transplant solenopsis xyloni or geminata, which are both aggressive natives that can defend against argentines.  A better option, however, would be to collect and transplant a colony of a brood raider such as neivamyrmex, which could decimate invasive nests, especially myrmicines like megacephala or invicta.

The Neivamyrmex would almost certainly die due to being outside of their established territory.


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