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2 Queen ID Request Indonesia 04/11/19


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#1 Offline Dnail - Posted November 4 2019 - 7:17 AM

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I will post it at commend for each queen


Colony:

2 Odontomachus aciculatus 

2 Polyrachis Dives

3 Camponotus sp


#2 Offline Dnail - Posted November 4 2019 - 7:21 AM

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1. Location (on a map) of collection: Bandung
2. Date of collection: 02 November 2019
3. Habitat of collection: City forest
4. Length (from head to gaster): 8 mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: head: orange, torax: dark brown, gaster: dark brown strip white (top), white (bottom)
6. Distinguishing characteristics: 
7. Distinguishing behavior: quick movement
8. Nest description: 

9. Nuptial flight time and date: 8.00 AM

 

Catch 2 deallate and 1 allate
my guess its Camponotus

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Edited by Dnail, November 4 2019 - 7:27 AM.

Colony:

2 Odontomachus aciculatus 

2 Polyrachis Dives

3 Camponotus sp


#3 Offline Dnail - Posted November 4 2019 - 7:25 AM

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1. Location (on a map) of collection: Bandung, West Java, Indonesia
2. Date of collection: 04 November 2019
3. Habitat of collection: swarm at lamp on the street near park
4. Length (from head to gaster): 18 mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: brown light to dark
6. Distinguishing characteristics: it can bite but not hurt
7. Distinguishing behavior: 
8. Nest description: 

9. Nuptial flight time and date: 8.00 pm
 

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Is it queen? i'm not sure
I catch 7 of them. Find many allate swarm the lamp but can't find any deallate one. it is right after heavy rain.

Colony:

2 Odontomachus aciculatus 

2 Polyrachis Dives

3 Camponotus sp


#4 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted November 4 2019 - 9:47 AM

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First queen looks like Camponotus, and second queen may be Carebara.

#5 Offline camponotuskeeper - Posted November 4 2019 - 10:13 AM

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i agree with the carebara



#6 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted November 4 2019 - 10:15 AM

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The first queen is Camponotus sp., perhaps in the Myrmaphaenus or Myrmobrachys subgenus and the second queen is Carebara castanea.


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#7 Offline Martialis - Posted November 4 2019 - 11:03 AM

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The first queen is Camponotus sp., perhaps in the Myrmaphaenus or Myrmobrachys subgenus and the second queen is Carebara castanea.

 

I agree with Camponotus and Carebara.

 

However, I wouldn't state the subgenera for the Camponotus—those are both endemic to the Americas. 

 

As for the species ID, I wouldn't go that far, either.  Not only is C. castanea native to Indochina (While this was found on Java, an island hundreds of miles away from where specimens of C. castaena were collected), but the pictures aren't near good enough to get an accurate ID.  Especially in a biological hotspot, which has 26 Carebara species alone.


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#8 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted November 4 2019 - 12:54 PM

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The first one is Colobopsis or Camponotus, the second one is Carebara cf. castanea. (In case you didn't know, the cf. is not part of the species name, but is added to indicate uncertainty.)


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Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#9 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted November 4 2019 - 1:51 PM

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Yes! I was right about the Carebara! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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#10 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted November 4 2019 - 2:30 PM

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I think the first one is colobopsis because of the face shape.

#11 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted November 4 2019 - 3:11 PM

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No. Colobopsis have truncated faces. This is Camponotus.

#12 Offline Martialis - Posted November 4 2019 - 3:13 PM

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The first one is Colobopsis or Camponotus, the second one is Carebara cf. castanea. (In case you didn't know, the cf. is not part of the species name, but is added to indicate uncertainty.)


C. castaena lives in Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam. This is in JAVA, an island in Indonesia. It’s quite rare for a species found over 1600 miles away, separated by an ocean, to be found on an island natively.
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#13 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted November 4 2019 - 4:10 PM

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Hence the cf.


Currently keeping:

 

Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#14 Offline Aaron567 - Posted November 4 2019 - 4:22 PM

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The species Carebara lignata, found in Java, appears to be very similar to castanea. It's largely possible this queen is that species.


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#15 Offline Manitobant - Posted November 4 2019 - 5:29 PM

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I'm thinking colobopsis and carebara lignata (note that carebara queens are EXTREMELY sensitive and should not be disturbed unless absolutely necessary)


I'm thinking colobopsis and carebara lignata (note that carebara queena are EXTREMELY sensitive and should not be disturbed unless absolutely necessary)

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#16 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted November 4 2019 - 6:16 PM

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Again, Colobopsis have truncated faces.

#17 Offline Dnail - Posted November 4 2019 - 7:52 PM

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Oh that's Carabera quenn, should have catch more  :o

i put 3 of them in test tube with soil, 1 with coco peat, 2 with nothing (plain test tube), and 1 i just dump her at container with soil (she start digging chamber this morning)

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Colony:

2 Odontomachus aciculatus 

2 Polyrachis Dives

3 Camponotus sp


#18 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted November 5 2019 - 7:37 AM

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Good luck with her!

#19 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted November 5 2019 - 1:13 PM

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Again, Colobopsis have truncated faces.

In many species, truncation is less evident, especially in queens. The ant in question looks about right for Colobopsis vitrea, but could just as easily be a phragmotic Camponotus species like C. bellus.

 

Colobopsis vitrea:

https://www.antweb.o...t=allantwebants


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Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#20 Offline Dnail - Posted November 6 2019 - 4:59 AM

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Again, Colobopsis have truncated faces.

In many species, truncation is less evident, especially in queens. The ant in question looks about right for Colobopsis vitrea, but could just as easily be a phragmotic Camponotus species like C. bellus.

 

Colobopsis vitrea:

https://www.antweb.o...t=allantwebants

 

i check both of them, they look similar  %), maybe we need to wait until she have worker

so far i never saw worker with this kind of coloration.

both of them fully claustral  right?


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Colony:

2 Odontomachus aciculatus 

2 Polyrachis Dives

3 Camponotus sp





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