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I found this queen...

Started By Broncos , Oct 19 2019 5:16 PM

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#1 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:17 PM

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I found this queen when my grandma was gardening!


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About 4mm


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#2 Offline gcsnelling - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:34 PM

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If you want an Id how bout a little more information.


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#3 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:37 PM

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It was with some small orangish tiny ants and I think it was the queen??? I’m not sure the queen is plain black. Shallow nest. The ants had big headed majors so it makes me think pheidole but they are soooo small


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#4 Offline gcsnelling - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:39 PM

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It was with some small orangish tiny ants and I think it was the queen??? I’m not sure the queen is plain black. Shallow nest. The ants had big headed majors so it makes me think pheidole but they are soooo small


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Uhh more along the lines of where you found it,


#5 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:43 PM

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Yea it's Pheidole, but no clue what species. Location is a key factor in identifying ants though. But I'll leave species to Dr. Snelling.

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#6 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:44 PM

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Yea it's Pheidole, but no clue what species. Location is a key factor in identifying ants though. But I'll leave species to Dr. Snelling.

Oh man I’ve always wanted some of these!!


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#7 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:45 PM

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Well, congrats!

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#8 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:51 PM

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And they cover my grandma’s yard so I’ll look for more!!


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#9 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 19 2019 - 5:58 PM

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I'm guessing pheidole navigans from the description. They are shallow nesters and the queens are therefore very easy to find under rocks, though remember to collect some workers with the queen next time!
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#10 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 6:00 PM

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I'm guessing pheidole navigans from the description. They are shallow nesters and the queens are therefore very easy to find under rocks, though remember to collect some workers with the queen next time!

Yea it is!!! I just looked it up


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#11 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 19 2019 - 6:02 PM

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I'm guessing pheidole navigans from the description. They are shallow nesters and the queens are therefore very easy to find under rocks, though remember to collect some workers with the queen next time!

Yea it is!!! I just looked it up
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also, since you collected that queen from a mature colony, I would highly recommend feeding her like a semi claustral queen as she is unable to go through the founding stage again.
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#12 Offline Broncos - Posted October 19 2019 - 6:03 PM

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Ok


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She seems weak she has all of her legs but falls over a lot but she SEEMS fine


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#13 Offline NickAnter - Posted October 19 2019 - 6:08 PM

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This is certainly Pheidole navigans.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#14 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted October 20 2019 - 7:53 AM

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Get some workers from the original colony.


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#15 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted October 20 2019 - 8:37 AM

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Yeah, 100% Pheidole navigans. A slowly encroaching invasive species, minors barely hitting 2 mm.


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#16 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted October 20 2019 - 9:16 AM

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And here we have the battle of the smallest ant between Solenopsis and Pheidole... 


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#17 Offline NickAnter - Posted October 20 2019 - 10:38 AM

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You mean majors right. The minors are 1mm.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#18 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted October 20 2019 - 10:46 AM

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You mean majors right. The minors are 1mm.

Like I said; the battle for the smallest ant


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#19 Offline Martialis - Posted October 20 2019 - 11:16 AM

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How about, instead of giving answers based on vague information we make them follow the format?

I don’t want to sound rude, but there is never a 100% certainty—not even with a perfect ID request which follows the template to a “T.” This thread, obviously, doesn’t follow the “format” or even give much of the information. While that which he did give was helpful, we don’t have any clue to where he’s located other than the fact that he uses Tapatalk, which is used and searched for more frequently in Europe, Canada, and China than in the US (https://trends.googl...re?q=tapatalk); that the Tapatalk “signature” is in english, and his fluency in English itself. These latter two suggest an Anglophone country. Again, this is just conjecture.

Even assuming he is indeed from the US, there is a gigantic diversity in species and genera. I don’t feel comfortable stating that this is even Pheidole with the photo given, let alone that she’s Ph. navigans.

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#20 Offline Martialis - Posted October 20 2019 - 11:23 AM

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I'm guessing pheidole navigans from the description. They are shallow nesters and the queens are therefore very easy to find under rocks, though remember to collect some workers with the queen next time!

Yea it is!!! I just looked it up
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also, since you collected that queen from a mature colony, I would highly recommend feeding her like a semi claustral queen as she is unable to go through the founding stage again.

Probably won’t be able to survive. “Mature” queens rarely do on their own.
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