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Worker Boosting? Yay Or Nay?


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#21 Offline Kalidas - Posted October 29 2019 - 2:27 PM

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Are the cocoons darkening? The queen might not be opening them because of them not being ready. When the cocoons start to darken to the point to they are greyish and one of them is almost black, then you should open them because that means the queen is not opening them. This worked for me, but I can’t promise anything.

 
No, none of the cocoons have darkened. Thanks for that, it's quite a relief.
The only thing i am still unsure about is a black spot on some of the cocoons.
I will keep an eye on her lol.

Black spots normal, it's their poop

#22 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted October 29 2019 - 2:45 PM

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I say don't boost camponotous because they take long to develop, and it's really not worth it to boost them, especially because of the fact they can kill the colony that took so long to get to this point, extremely fast

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#23 Offline Formicoidea - Posted November 1 2019 - 10:00 PM

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Black spots normal, it's their poop

 

I know about that spot, one of the major's (hopefully) pupae has another dark spot, near the other end of the cocoon. It's not as dark as the poop spot though.

 

I say don't boost camponotous because they take long to develop, and it's really not worth it to boost them, especially because of the fact they can kill the colony that took so long to get to this point, extremely fast

 

How so?


Current Queens/Colonies:

- Iridomyrmex Bicknelli                          - Iridomyrmex Sp. (x2)

- Camponotus Consobrinus                - Camponotus Sp.

- Myrmecia Sp.                                        - Rhytidoponera Metallica

- Rhytidoponera victoriae                       - Notoncus Sp. (x2)

- Anonychomyrma Cf. Froggatti (x6)


#24 Offline Formicoidea - Posted November 4 2019 - 2:58 AM

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So.

A bit of an update for you all.

The queen opened a cocoon today. Finally.

 

Problem is, it wasn't ready.

So i pulled the cocoon out and opened the cocoon the rest of the way (she had just made a hole on one side).

Low and behold there it is, it's eyes were dark and it was yellowing, but just not quite there.

 

Then i realised there was another significant problem. It was an alate.

 

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Which is GREAT (complete sarcasm...), not only does it mean the other big pupae should be an alate, but it probably means the "workers" are drones.

I think the chances are that i stumbled upon a reproductive pupae chamber. 

 

While you can't see this on the photo. the other side of the alate has a dark spot where the cocoon was opened. it's almost like the queen accidentally bit the alate. (n)


Current Queens/Colonies:

- Iridomyrmex Bicknelli                          - Iridomyrmex Sp. (x2)

- Camponotus Consobrinus                - Camponotus Sp.

- Myrmecia Sp.                                        - Rhytidoponera Metallica

- Rhytidoponera victoriae                       - Notoncus Sp. (x2)

- Anonychomyrma Cf. Froggatti (x6)


#25 Offline lmbfisherman - Posted November 5 2019 - 6:01 AM

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So.

A bit of an update for you all.

The queen opened a cocoon today. Finally.

 

Problem is, it wasn't ready.

So i pulled the cocoon out and opened the cocoon the rest of the way (she had just made a hole on one side).

Low and behold there it is, it's eyes were dark and it was yellowing, but just not quite there.

 

Then i realised there was another significant problem. It was an alate.

 

6OlEd94.jpg (sorry for the terrible image)

 

Which is GREAT (complete sarcasm...), not only does it mean the other big pupae should be an alate, but it probably means the "workers" are drones.

I think the chances are that i stumbled upon a reproductive pupae chamber. 

 

While you can't see this on the photo. the other side of the alate has a dark spot where the cocoon was opened. it's almost like the queen accidentally bit the alate. (n)

Sorry that sucks.  Hopefully not all of them will be alates!



#26 Offline Formicoidea - Posted November 16 2019 - 9:00 PM

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Hmmmmmmm
So today, as i was checking the queen i noticed something possibly exciting.
First off. The queen has laid eggs (i noticed this a while ago), which is good, except that she doesn't have workers yet.
As i was checking the queen i decided to check where the eggs were. From underneath i could see them, as well as all the pupae, larvae ect. I counted the pupae and there were 6 small ones. For some reason this didn't feel right, so i checked the old photo from this topic. It looks like there were 5 small pupae in that photo.
Hopefully, this means the queen can raise her brood fully.
There wasnt a dicernable size difference so hopefully the other small cocoons are workers.

Current Queens/Colonies:

- Iridomyrmex Bicknelli                          - Iridomyrmex Sp. (x2)

- Camponotus Consobrinus                - Camponotus Sp.

- Myrmecia Sp.                                        - Rhytidoponera Metallica

- Rhytidoponera victoriae                       - Notoncus Sp. (x2)

- Anonychomyrma Cf. Froggatti (x6)


#27 Offline Formicoidea - Posted December 15 2019 - 3:45 AM

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it's been a while.

 

The small cocoons i caught were in fact drones. Great. i should have expected it, the development was much to slow to have been normal workers.

Lots have hatched, only two are alive right now. ones that have previously hatched have died, possibly the queen hasn't fed them or maybe it's something else. She does however pick their carcasses clean. 

All of them have been... retarded? They lie on their backs and twitch...

I don't know if the queen should usually get them on their feet or if that's something they should do themselves.

 

A bit of good news. A worker has hatched! i believe this is from the Queens larvae, as if it were one of the brood i collected and introduced it would have hatched much sooner.

It was initially on its back, so i decided to stick my tweezers in and flip him over. It worked.

Something else was odd though. She was only moving wither front two legs, the other four were tucked underneath her. I checked up later in the day and she was using four out of the six. Hopefully by tomorrow she will be walking normally.

 

Something that i am a bit concerned about is if the worker will be able to take over brood care from the queen. Is the knowledge instinctual or learned?


Current Queens/Colonies:

- Iridomyrmex Bicknelli                          - Iridomyrmex Sp. (x2)

- Camponotus Consobrinus                - Camponotus Sp.

- Myrmecia Sp.                                        - Rhytidoponera Metallica

- Rhytidoponera victoriae                       - Notoncus Sp. (x2)

- Anonychomyrma Cf. Froggatti (x6)


#28 Offline Formicoidea - Posted December 16 2019 - 7:03 PM

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The little critter seems all good, walking around normally now.

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Current Queens/Colonies:

- Iridomyrmex Bicknelli                          - Iridomyrmex Sp. (x2)

- Camponotus Consobrinus                - Camponotus Sp.

- Myrmecia Sp.                                        - Rhytidoponera Metallica

- Rhytidoponera victoriae                       - Notoncus Sp. (x2)

- Anonychomyrma Cf. Froggatti (x6)


#29 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted December 16 2019 - 7:22 PM

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Glad things worked out

Edited by TheMicroPlanet, December 16 2019 - 7:25 PM.


#30 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted December 20 2019 - 7:50 AM

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My suggestion is don't boost Camponotous in general, unless you have no other choice


Why do you say that? Just interested.

 

Sorry about the late response, Camponotous is weird in the fact that the workers get along, however the queens don't, and the workers pick up on that. So they don't let the queens interact. The reason not to boost is, it's always a gamble when you boost, and while the workers might get along, the queen most likely won't. It's bizarre, complicated, and hard to explain- especially through a forum, but I hope this helps :)


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