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Freezing ants in test tubes before feeding?


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#1 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted December 15 2019 - 5:46 PM

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I can see how feeding colonies in test tubes can be a little tedious, especially with small and fast ants. So I was wondering if maybe you could freeze them before feeding (for 5 minutes or less; basically chilling, not freezing)? I don't know if this would harm the queen or brood, and i'm sort of scared to try it. I suppose I could put the colony in a tubs & tubes setup instead.

 

NOTE: I don't actually have any colonies yet, so the more info I can get on this, the better.



#2 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted December 15 2019 - 6:14 PM

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I imagine Prenolepis imparis would be fine with this, but I don't  know about any other ants in this region.



#3 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted December 15 2019 - 7:16 PM

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NEVER put anything live in the freezer without the intention of killing it.
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#4 Offline Unfrozen - Posted December 15 2019 - 8:24 PM

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fridge not freezer


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#5 Offline Skwiggledork - Posted December 15 2019 - 9:08 PM

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Once they get enough workers that feeding them in the test tube become a hassle, I would just give them an outworld.



#6 Offline drtrmiller - Posted December 16 2019 - 8:11 AM

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Test tubes should never, under any circumstances, be exposed to drastic changes in temperature.  Doing so can cause excessive condensation in the test tube, and contraction/expansion of the water supply, leading to catastrophic consequences like floods.


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#7 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted December 16 2019 - 12:32 PM

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Yeah I should've specified: i meant in the fridge, definitely not freezer. However, now I think puting the test tube in a small container should suffice.


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#8 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted December 16 2019 - 3:02 PM

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It depends on where he lives, but a lot of tropical/subtropical/desert ants would die even in the refrigerator if they're in there too long. However, I feel perfectly comfortable putting ants into cold. Midwestern natives (Camponotus especially) has been known to survive temps much lower than the freezer. 


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#9 Offline Manitobant - Posted December 16 2019 - 3:24 PM

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I wouldn't do it if I were you. Just toss the food in there and quickly seal the tube back up.

#10 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted December 16 2019 - 3:32 PM

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I wouldn't do it if I were you. Just toss the food in there and quickly seal the tube back up.

Although that is how I feed them. 


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#11 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted December 16 2019 - 3:34 PM

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I wouldn't do it if I were you. Just toss the food in there and quickly seal the tube back up.

I'm just nervous i'll get a few escapees. I still think puting the colony in a tubs-and-tubes setup would be the best idea until it's big enough for a formicarium.



#12 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted December 17 2019 - 1:16 PM

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I wouldn't worry about them escaping the test tube during feeding. In my experience, unless you have a colony that is large enough to actually be in a formicarium, they will just cower in the corner, not even really knowing that they can get out. Just don't take the cotton out if there is a worker on it!


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Tetramorium immigrans, Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Myrmica punctiventris, Formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva, Aphaeogaster cf. rudis

Camponotus pennsylvanicus

Camponotus nearcticus

Crematogaster cerasi

Temnothorax ambiguus

Prenolepis imparis


#13 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted December 17 2019 - 5:58 PM

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I usually keep colonies in test tube setups till they have more than 50 workers.

#14 Offline Somethinghmm - Posted December 17 2019 - 10:39 PM

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I usually keep colonies in test tube setups till they have more than 50 workers.

You have to be a magician. My ants start camping the cotton at less than 20 workers.


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#15 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 19 2019 - 8:17 PM

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With Nylanderia once they get past 8 workers it is a struggle to test tube feed.  20 is almost impossible.   I imagine with slower ants like Camponotus it would be far easier.  And, I live in Socal, and put a Formica perpilosa worker in our -3 degree fahrenheit freezer, and it survived for at least 30 minutes.  Rather incredible in my opinion.


Edited by NickAnter, December 19 2019 - 8:18 PM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 





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