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Huntington Beach Formica 9/29/19

Started By NickAnter , Sep 29 2019 1:10 PM

Best Answer NickAnter , December 4 2019 - 7:16 PM

Formica perpilosa fits in almost all manners, in size, coloration, physical aspects and nesting behavior. I am about 95% sure, but until I am fully sure, I am not marking it solved.

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#21 Offline Manitobant - Posted September 30 2019 - 9:39 AM

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Maybe formica neoclara? I have only heard of it in norCal tho.
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#22 Offline NickAnter - Posted September 30 2019 - 4:00 PM

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Well, this is not F. manni. The scape widens at the tip, so that species is out. F. perpilosa is begining to seem more likely. And it is not F. neogagates. There is clearly hair on the scapes. Nothing else seems to fit. Here are some more pictures:




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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#23 Offline Broncos - Posted November 4 2019 - 10:05 AM

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I have a weird feeling that its Formica rufa

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#24 Offline NickAnter - Posted November 4 2019 - 3:35 PM

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I know for a fact it is not in the rufa group.  It is likely Formica perpilosa.  I can't be sure though, it could be some other strange color morph of another species.  Also, the nest description fits perectly.


Edited by NickAnter, November 4 2019 - 3:35 PM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#25 Offline gcsnelling - Posted November 4 2019 - 4:08 PM

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That does seem to be a good fit.


#26 Offline NickAnter - Posted November 4 2019 - 4:55 PM

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Well, if so, it is the first record for Orange county that I can find. Then again, I have also found Tetramorium immigrans here, so I'm not surprised.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#27 Offline gcsnelling - Posted November 5 2019 - 3:16 AM

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There are scattered records up and down the coast so an OC record is no shock.


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#28 Offline NickAnter - Posted November 5 2019 - 6:22 AM

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Thanks! But for what species?

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#29 Offline Martialis - Posted November 5 2019 - 6:48 AM

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The one you suggested.
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#30 Offline NickAnter - Posted November 11 2019 - 10:04 AM

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Going to try to get some good microscope pictures. I got another specimen today. Luckily the nests are only about 1.5 miles away from our house.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#31 Offline Broncos - Posted December 3 2019 - 4:30 PM

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Formica Francoeuri or moki for sure


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#32 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 4 2019 - 7:04 AM

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I know it is neither of those, it lacks the necessary pubescence to be francoueri, and is far too shiny to be moki.


Edited by NickAnter, February 19 2020 - 3:39 PM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#33 Offline Antennal_Scrobe - Posted December 4 2019 - 5:16 PM

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It could easily be an undescribed species. There are a few unnamed Formica from CA, and several more in surrounding states, according to AntWeb. Sadly, most of them are not imaged. If you can't assign these to a known species, perhaps try to donate them to a museum collection.


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#34 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 4 2019 - 7:16 PM   Best Answer

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Formica perpilosa fits in almost all manners, in size, coloration, physical aspects and nesting behavior. I am about 95% sure, but until I am fully sure, I am not marking it solved.


Edited by NickAnter, February 19 2020 - 3:40 PM.

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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#35 Offline dspdrew - Posted December 4 2019 - 11:00 PM

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Really they censored my above post?

 

:lol:  It's all automatic.

 

 

That's pretty interesting finding Formica in HB. I found Prenolepis imparis in Costa Mesa once, trailing along Victoria Street, by the Santa Ana river.


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#36 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 5 2019 - 7:21 AM

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I think it is all due to habitat. And some species are just natuarally resistant to argentines. I have also found multiple Hypoponera species in just my own yard. One was bright orange.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#37 Offline dspdrew - Posted December 5 2019 - 1:16 PM

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I think it is all due to habitat. And some species are just natuarally resistant to argentines. I have also found multiple Hypoponera species in just my own yard. One was bright orange.

 

 

Prenolepis imparis I read actually do have some sort of natural defense against Argentine ants.


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#38 Offline NickAnter - Posted December 5 2019 - 5:59 PM

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I remember watching a video on it too.  This one:


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#39 Offline YsTheAnt - Posted December 12 2019 - 7:36 AM

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In my area, Prenolepis imparis keep the argentines at bay so well that even right by houses it is rare to find an argentine nest.

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#40 Offline NickAnter - Posted January 24 2020 - 6:43 PM

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Never mind.

Edited by NickAnter, January 24 2020 - 6:45 PM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

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