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Major changes to permit regulations coming Aug 9th

Started By soulsynapse , Jul 21 2019 4:22 PM

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#21 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted July 26 2019 - 2:39 PM

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  • The only species of ant on the list is pogonomyrmex occidentalis. Currently, this includes queens, but it may be changed

 

Isn't Pogonomyrmex barbatus widely distributed as well?


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Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

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Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#22 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted July 29 2019 - 4:40 PM

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So if I am getting this straight, if an ant species is considered an immediate threat to the environment, they can no longer be kept in captivity? :thinking:  


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#23 Offline DJoseph98 - Posted August 1 2019 - 7:00 PM

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So if I am getting this straight, if an ant species is considered an immediate threat to the environment, they can no longer be kept in captivity? :thinking:

Pretty sure the permit is to transport them across state borders, not necessarily keep them. If a species is a threat and is non exempt you NEED a permit to transport it (like for a research lab), but you shouldn't have issues keeping it (if its already established in your state).

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1 x Camponotus nearcticus (Monogynous), 1 x Crematogaster cerasi (Monogynous), 1 x Formica cf. subsericea (Polygynous Two-Queen), 1 x Formica cf. pallidefulva (Monogynous, single worker),

1 x Lasius cf. americanus (Pleometrotic Founding, now Monogynous), 1 x Tetramorium immigrans (Monogynous)

 

Current Founding Units

1 x Formica cf. subsericea (Monogynous)

 

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#24 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted August 2 2019 - 10:08 AM

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So if I am getting this straight, if an ant species is considered an immediate threat to the environment, they can no longer be kept in captivity? :thinking:  

 

So if I am getting this straight, if an ant species is considered an immediate threat to the environment, they can no longer be kept in captivity? :thinking:

Pretty sure the permit is to transport them across state borders, not necessarily keep them. If a species is a threat and is non exempt you NEED a permit to transport it (like for a research lab), but you shouldn't have issues keeping it (if its already established in your state).

 

Correct. In case you didn't know, it was illegal to transport any queen ant across a state line, yet these permit changes will change that for some species.


Edited by AntsDakota, August 2 2019 - 10:08 AM.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#25 Offline NickAnter - Posted August 2 2019 - 1:21 PM

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Well, wouldn't Brachymyrmex depilis fit the bill? They are in every state except AK and HI.

Edited by NickAnter, August 2 2019 - 1:22 PM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#26 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted August 2 2019 - 4:34 PM

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Well, wouldn't Brachymyrmex depilis fit the bill? They are in every state except AK and HI.

I think they only have to fit in one of the stipulations. So if it isn’t a threat and it is widely distributed then most likely.

Edited by Kaelwizard, August 2 2019 - 4:36 PM.

#27 Offline Kahldris - Posted August 7 2019 - 6:09 AM

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It's about to be aug 9th I can't find anything on this in google. What exactly are the changes we can expect?

Edited by Kahldris, August 7 2019 - 6:09 AM.

#28 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 8 2019 - 3:30 AM

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Are queens still included?

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#29 Offline ForestDragon - Posted August 8 2019 - 5:57 AM

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Hopefully some Leafcutter species can be added to this list as they are widely used in lab settings


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#30 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 8 2019 - 5:57 AM

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Agreed! ATTA TEXANA FOR THE WIN.
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#31 Offline Silq - Posted August 8 2019 - 7:10 AM

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so does this mean people can start shipping Occidentalis from any US state tomorrow?


Edited by Silq, August 8 2019 - 7:11 AM.

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#32 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 8 2019 - 7:15 AM

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If it's legal in your state.

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#33 Offline Silq - Posted August 8 2019 - 8:32 AM

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  • The only species of ant on the list is pogonomyrmex occidentalis. Currently, this includes queens, but it may be changed

 

Isn't Pogonomyrmex barbatus widely distributed as well?

 

 

 

If it's legal in your state.

According to soulsynapse, occidentalis is the only one on the list. So does that mean it has to be approved on the Federal level then the state level?


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#34 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 8 2019 - 9:43 AM

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Yes. I believe so. The species is approved by the feds. They states have the option of saying no to letting this law take place in their state though.
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#35 Offline gcsnelling - Posted August 9 2019 - 3:07 PM

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https://www.aphis.us...plant-pest-list


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#36 Offline PacificNorthWestern - Posted August 9 2019 - 3:18 PM

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So what exactly changed?


#37 Offline Acutus - Posted August 9 2019 - 3:39 PM

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Only ant on the list was Western Harvester Ant. Pogonomyrmex occidentalis? Sorry if Latin is wrong

Edited by Acutus, August 9 2019 - 3:40 PM.

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#38 Offline Ants Galore - Posted August 9 2019 - 3:48 PM

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Agreed! ATTA TEXANA FOR THE WIN.

I doubt Atta will ever be exempted because they're considered agriculture pests. It's even illegal to ship them within the state of Texas


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#39 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted August 9 2019 - 4:49 PM

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Agreed! ATTA TEXANA FOR THE WIN.

I doubt Atta will ever be exempted because they're considered agriculture pests. It's even illegal to ship them within the state of Texas

Yeah I know.... :(
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#40 Offline Acutus - Posted August 9 2019 - 6:37 PM

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I just wanna know what awesome ant keeper is willing to donate a small colony of P. Occidentalis to my Nature Center! Lol
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