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Started By TennesseeAnts , May 30 2019 4:29 AM
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#701 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 27 2020 - 8:17 AM

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All that talk is beyond my pay grade.
Sensei, how many workers should I wait for to move my F argentea colony into a Dirt Box Drewcarium? They currently have four.
I need to move them into something easier to feed them in.

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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#702 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 8:39 AM

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All that talk is beyond my pay grade.
Sensei, how many workers should I wait for to move my F argentea colony into a Dirt Box Drewcarium? They currently have four.
I need to move them into something easier to feed them in.

I would wait till 10-15 workers for a Dirt Box. I can't wait to see them in it!


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#703 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 27 2020 - 8:59 AM

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Also Sensei, when should I check on my queen? In two weeks, or more? I just don't want to stress out the queen...


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#704 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:11 AM

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Also Sensei, when should I check on my queen? In two weeks, or more? I just don't want to stress out the queen...

Your queen seems to be phsyco, so I'd say 2 weeks.


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#705 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:20 AM

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All that talk is beyond my pay grade.
Sensei, how many workers should I wait for to move my F argentea colony into a Dirt Box Drewcarium? They currently have four.
I need to move them into something easier to feed them in.

I would wait till 10-15 workers for a Dirt Box. I can't wait to see them in it!
Ok. How do I feed them in a tube without them or me having a stroke?
"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.

#706 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:21 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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I don't think so. Camponotus can be polymorphic, they have several different worker proportions. Just because some workers are larger than others does not mean they are a different caste.
https://www.annualre...o-020117-043357
https://www.antwiki....ste_Terminology
Under the heading 'complete dimorphism.'

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That's the Tanaemyrmex subgenus. Not all Camponotus. Unless I read the wrong thing.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#707 Offline madbiologist - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:25 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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I don't think so. Camponotus can be polymorphic, they have several different worker proportions. Just because some workers are larger than others does not mean they are a different caste.
https://www.annualre...o-020117-043357
https://www.antwiki....ste_Terminology
Under the heading 'complete dimorphism.'

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That's the Tanaemyrmex subgenus. Not all Camponotus. Unless I read the wrong thing.
Nope, you read it right. I'm well known for being illiterate.

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#708 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:28 AM

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Well, you must be somewhat literate if you can properly use ‘illiterate’.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

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#710 Offline Nare - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:41 AM

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All that talk is beyond my pay grade.
Sensei, how many workers should I wait for to move my F argentea colony into a Dirt Box Drewcarium? They currently have four.
I need to move them into something easier to feed them in.

I would wait till 10-15 workers for a Dirt Box. I can't wait to see them in it!
Ok. How do I feed them in a tube without them or me having a stroke?

 

I've given up feeding anything besides a single queen in a tube, and even then I rarely do that. Feeding ants in the tube is just a bad time - obviously there's the horrible experience of trying to get food in, and then removing food, but also you're freaking your ants out when you shove stuff into their tube. From my experience, colonies of Camponotus have done sooo much better when I give them an outworld as soon as workers arrive. Catching queens in May/June, I'd get to anywhere from 5 to 7 workers and a little bit of brood by hibernation (October/November). Offering the colony an outworld as soon as workers arrived, I made it up to 20 workers.

 

Obviously this isn't anything beyond anecdotal evidence, and that colony could have done so well for a range of reasons, but the point remains the same. Don't feed your ants in a tube, just offer a small outworld as soon as workers arrive. You can shove a straw (if you still have any of those) through the cotton to allow a small entrance for your ants to enter and exit the nest, and having an outworld also means you can keep a liquid feeder in it, and offer a variety of foods, without having to worry if they aren't touching one food or another.

Point is, life's just so much easier when you don't feed in the tube. Get some Tupperware. Offer an outworld. This works with Formica too, to similar results in my experience.


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#711 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:51 AM

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Thank you, Nare! I am 100% in agreement with this. I abhor feeding in tubes.
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#712 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:51 AM

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Also Sensei, when should I check on my queen? In two weeks, or more? I just don't want to stress out the queen...

Your queen seems to be phsyco, so I'd say 2 weeks.

 

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#713 Offline ponerinecat - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:56 AM

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Most Formica polymorphism seems to just be size differences. No majors that I can think of.


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#714 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 9:59 AM

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Most Formica polymorphism seems to just be size differences. No majors that I can think of.

That would be nice, though.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#715 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 10:05 AM

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Most Formica polymorphism seems to just be size differences. No majors that I can think of.

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#716 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 10:12 AM

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Prenolepis imparis var. testacea (Colony #1)

3-27-20

 

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#717 Offline ponerinecat - Posted March 27 2020 - 10:28 AM

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Nice.


#718 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 27 2020 - 10:50 AM

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Gonna look for P. Imparis when it hit's low 70's...so not soon


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#719 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 11:13 AM

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I've got a new video out from today's anting trip!
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=oFvoFGXmr2s


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#720 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 27 2020 - 12:17 PM

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The video is restricted. Either that or something is wrong with my account.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

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