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Started By TennesseeAnts , May 30 2019 4:29 AM
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#681 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 26 2020 - 4:59 PM

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subsericea are polygynous and polymorphic? I wasn’t sure on either......


Yep. Most Formica are polymorphic.

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#682 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 26 2020 - 5:01 PM

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Really........ although most colonies I’ve seen had only a couple hundred workers to a few hundred, or should those have had majors already? They did have some size difference, but nothing like parasitic Formica.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

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Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

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Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#683 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 26 2020 - 5:16 PM

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Really........ although most colonies I’ve seen had only a couple hundred workers to a few hundred, or should those have had majors already? They did have some size difference, but nothing like parasitic Formica.


(Servi)Formica species (excluding ants in the pallidefullva complex) do exhibit some polymorphism. You're right, nothing like parasitic Formica or Camponotus.
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#684 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 26 2020 - 5:38 PM

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subsericea are polygynous and polymorphic? I wasn’t sure on either......


Yep. Most Formica are polymorphic.

 

You're telling me the same species Selene is is polygnous, polymorphic and aggressive? I don't know who had a stroke, me or you lmao 


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#685 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 26 2020 - 6:15 PM

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subsericea are polygynous and polymorphic? I wasn’t sure on either......

Yep. Most Formica are polymorphic.
You're telling me the same species Selene is is polygnous, polymorphic and aggressive? I don't know who had a stroke, me or you lmao
Yeah that's exactly what I'm telling you. :rofl:

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#686 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 5:54 AM

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#687 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:08 AM

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Fascinating........ how much of a size difference?

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#688 Offline madbiologist - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:12 AM

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Fascinating........ how much of a size difference?

2 rufa group workers.




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#689 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:21 AM

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Fascinating........ how much of a size difference?

It depends on the species, but you see the most polymorphisim with the Formica rufa group.


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#690 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:27 AM

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I guess I meant Servi(Formica). These are from the rufa group, I believe, and I know they are polymorphic.

Fascinating........ how much of a size difference?

2 rufa group workers.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#691 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:32 AM

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I think my ant is broken if how Ant_Dude is correct about how they're supposed to behave...need to bring it back to the dealer and ask for a new gasket (I think she blew hers out...)


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#692 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:47 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#693 Offline madbiologist - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:50 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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#694 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:51 AM

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yeah, what he said lol


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#695 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:55 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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I don't think so. Camponotus can be polymorphic, they have several different worker proportions. Just because some workers are larger than others does not mean they are a different caste.

https://www.annualre...o-020117-043357


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#696 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:56 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Yep. (Servi)Formica subsericea is more bimorphic, though as opposed to the polymorphic rufa group.

Edit: Apparently the (Rapti)Formica pergandei group produces a small caste of worker dedicated to brood care.

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#697 Offline madbiologist - Posted March 27 2020 - 6:57 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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I don't think so. Camponotus can be polymorphic, they have several different worker proportions. Just because some workers are larger than others does not mean they are a different caste.
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#698 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 27 2020 - 7:00 AM

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Formica subsericea (Colony #1)
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Let the brood making commence! They now have about a dozen eggs, being carried around by a worker.

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#699 Offline ForestDragon - Posted March 27 2020 - 7:28 AM

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polymorphic and bimorphic i feel so not-educated, i just say polymorphic


#700 Offline madbiologist - Posted March 27 2020 - 7:30 AM

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Are you sure they are polymorphic? There is a difference between polymorphism and size differences. You have to look at the proportions of the ants. If there is only two worker castes, then they are bimorphic.

Camponotus are strictly bimorphic. As Formica don't have a specific major class, they are polymorphic.

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I don't think so. Camponotus can be polymorphic, they have several different worker proportions. Just because some workers are larger than others does not mean they are a different caste.
https://www.annualre...o-020117-043357
https://www.antwiki....ste_Terminology
Under the heading 'complete dimorphism.'

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